Brett Trembly / Louis Goodman – Transcript

Brett Trembly / Louis Goodman – Transcript

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https://www.lovethylawyer.com/brett-trembly-virtual-office-staff-change-your-life/

[00:00:03] Louis Goodman: Welcome to the Love Thy Lawyer Podcast, where we talk to attorneys about their lives and careers. I’m your host, Louis Goodman. Today we welcome Brett Trembly to the program. Mr. Trembly is the founding partner of the Trembly Law Firm, a Miami-based business and franchise firm. He is also the co-founder and CEO of Get Staffed Up, the largest virtual staffing company in the United States. He’s been featured on numerous law and business podcasts. Brett Trembly, welcome to Love by Lawyer
[00:00:40] Brett Trembly: Louis, thank you so much for having me. And one quick amendment, we are the largest virtual staffing company for lawyers and law firms in the US.
The amount of money that’s poured into the space recently, we can no longer claim we’re the biggest, so.
[00:00:54] Louis Goodman: But you’re big.
[00:00:55] Brett Trembly: Yeah. Relatively right. We’re getting there.
[00:00:58] Louis Goodman: By the way, can you tell us how to get in touch with you? If someone needs virtual staffing, can you give us that website?
[00:01:07] Brett Trembly: Sure. It’s just like it sounds. Get staffed up.com, you know, G-E-T-S-T-A-F-F-E-D-U-P dot com. But you know, I also like when people just reach out to me on LinkedIn or add me on LinkedIn. So just my name, Brett Trembly, I think I’m the only one on LinkedIn. At least it should be clear if there’s more than one of us, you know which one I am. So yeah. Thank you.
[00:01:29] Louis Goodman: Brett, where are you talking to us from right now?
[00:01:31] Brett Trembly: I live in good old, sunny Miami, Florida. And because it’s January, it is paradise.
[00:01:39] Louis Goodman: Can you tell us what kind of practice and what kind of a business that you have in your words?
[00:01:47] Brett Trembly: Of course. So my law firm, which I started in 2011, is a, it started out as a litigation firm, so commercial litigation, and I got tired of waiting for people to get sued.
So I started doing the business planning side. So it’s business, corporate, you know, keep people out of court if we can, or we litigate, you know, when necessary. We also do franchise laws, so we help people that want to get into franchising or people who are, you know, gonna be a franchisee.
[00:02:17] Louis Goodman: How long have you had this kind of practice?
[00:02:19] Brett Trembly: So this is coming on like, we will be 14 years next, this coming November.
[00:02:27] Louis Goodman: Where are you from originally?
[00:02:29] Brett Trembly: I grew up in Albuquerque, New Mexico. Small, small suburb of Albuquerque actually. So there’s the few, the proud, the New Mexicans, you know, not a lot of us.
[00:02:38] Louis Goodman: Is that where you went to high school?
[00:02:40] Brett Trembly: Yes. Yeah.
[00:02:41] Louis Goodman: Where’d you go?
[00:02:42] Brett Trembly: A small little town called Belen High School. Famous for nothing unfortunately.
[00:02:50] Louis Goodman: When you got outta high school, you went to college, where’d you go there?
[00:02:52] Brett Trembly: Yeah, Eastern New Mexico University. It’s a like a communication school on the New Mexico Texas border. It’s also where my folks went and where they met, and my brother and I also went there.
Very, very fun. Small little farming town, but had the time of my life, that’s for sure.
[00:03:09] Louis Goodman: What sort of things did you do to have the time of your life there?
[00:03:12] Brett Trembly: You know, I, I was president of my fraternity. I was student body president. I think I got two Bs the whole time I was in school. I played in reels until I couldn’t anymore.
I mean, I just, I did it all, you know, I really took advantage of those years. Had a great time.
[00:03:27] Louis Goodman: Now, at some point you left college, graduated from college, and went to law school. Did you take any time off between college and law school? Did you go straight through?
[00:03:36] Brett Trembly: I’d say kind of. I took an extra year in college to do a victory lap, so I stayed five years.
I had like three to six hours each semester that last year, just having a good time extending, extending my student life. And then I went straight to law school from there. So it was five years undergrad and three years of law school.
[00:03:55] Louis Goodman: And where’d you go to law school?
[00:03:56] Brett Trembly: University of Miami, go kings.
[00:03:59] Louis Goodman: And then you stayed in Miami?
[00:04:02] Brett Trembly: Yeah.
[00:04:03] Louis Goodman: Can you talk a little bit about your experience as an attorney from the time you graduated from law school, and bring us up to the point of what you’re doing right now and what that evolution was.
[00:04:19] Brett Trembly: Sure. I started a very small firm in South Miami, and there was one attorney, one associate, and then I was a clerk in law school and then I, you know, they hired me to stay on, so, you know.
It’s good experience, but at that firm they did everything. So one day I was a personal injury attorney. The next day I was defending a med mal claim in probate court the following day. And then, you know, commercial the next day. So because it was door law, you know, anything that walks through the door, at first I thought, well, this is great.
It’s always interesting. And then after a few months and you know, maybe a few years, it was like, well, I’m just not, not really good at any one of these things. And, and it feels like I’m just, you know, not, not really learning. And I had, you know, he had talked to me about maybe becoming a partner in the future, and I don’t really know that, you know, that that’s like a firm that was just really run, like one guy working real hard.
And that’s kind of how he made it work. So, you know, I eventually, three years in, when I was 29 years old, I, I felt like I really wanted to do something before I was 30, so I cut outta there, hung my own shingle, and did everything myself at Trembly Law Firm for the first two and a half years, you know, almost ran myself into the ground.
Started hiring, somebody finally convinced me to hire, and, and that’s when the firm took off. Just really started, started capitalizing on finding a way to delegate and get more done without me having to do it. For like seven years, we were growing, you know, 50 to a hundred percent every year, just really exploding.
We were up to, I think 11 or 12 attorneys, and when the pandemic hit, you know, they hit small businesses pretty hard. So we have still grown since then, but it’s been a lot slower. We’ve got, I think right now, eight attorneys. And, you know, our mission is to protect the economy, one business at a time.
We believe that small businesses provide the majority of the workforce here in the US and that we need to protect those businesses. Not necessarily like they’re under attack from, from small businesses, but business owners, we have a target order back, so everyone thinks we’re loaded, so we’re always getting, you know, hit up for donations and, and, and this, that, and the other.
They don’t realize that as a growing business growth eats cash or that margins are small. Employees, you know, there’s a subset of lawyers that all they do is convince people to sue their former employers for overtime. So you, you’ve gotta, you’ve got landmines that way. You’ve got business dealings and contracts that you gotta help your clients with.
And then sometimes, you know, you end up in court and it’s really heartbreaking when a business owner defends him or herself and wins, but spends so much money that it feels like a loss. So, that’s what we do. We navigate those challenges and we do a great job and really love the firm, and we’ve built a great team and, you know, through that experience of hiring and growing and building, I, with another attorney who is a very good friend of mine and we’re now business partners, we started Get Staffed Up. It’s virtual staffing for lawyers and law firms because your staff will always be one of your biggest challenges, if not the biggest challenge. How to find really great people, how to keep ’em.
And when you’re hiring domestically, the cost is so great that it’s hard, you know, it’s scary to hire and to keep adding that payroll and to wonder, well, how am I gonna get paid? Because cash flow is an issue at most businesses, but, you know, law firms can be very hot and cold, up and down and have really good months and bad months.
So we are finding really great people out of Latin America, placing ’em with law firms and, and that’s been a very rewarding thing that I’ve done in my career.
[00:07:57] Louis Goodman: Now when you say you’re placing people from Latin America with law firms, is that virtual or,
[00:08:02] Brett Trembly: yeah.
[00:08:03] Louis Goodman: So, so people are, be able to, to work virtually for law firms.
[00:08:07] Brett Trembly: Mm-hmm.
[00:08:08] Louis Goodman: Uh, and they’re from, you know, Brazil or Argentina or Central America.
[00:08:13] Brett Trembly: Yep, exactly.
[00:08:14] Louis Goodman: Okay. Yeah. Yeah. That’s worked out for me in some ways too. Not so much for my practice, but for the podcast. The gentleman who helps me a lot with my editing lives in Brazil and, we have a wonderful relationship and it’s, it’s, it’s really good.
I wanted to ask you, what made you decide to go to law school? When did you first start thinking about being a lawyer and then when did you decide, yeah, I’m really going to do this. I’m really gonna fill out the application, send in the money, and take the LSAT, you know, the whole, the whole process went.
Yeah. What, what, what was that like? Oh.
[00:08:55] Brett Trembly: I mean, I say this with all sincerity. I really, I don’t, I didn’t love studying. I didn’t love, like, you know, taking the test. But I like being a student because I wasn’t quite ready to grow up and just have a job and be mature, if that makes sense. You know, I just, just really like to just have a good time and so.
I know that it’s kind of funny to say to go to law school to have a good time ’cause everyone thinks law school is this really, really difficult thing.
[00:09:25] Louis Goodman: I had a good time in law school.
[00:09:27] Brett Trembly: There you go. And that, that’s fun to hear. That makes two of us, right? You know, there was some people that quit and that they were so stressed out and
[00:09:35] Louis Goodman: Yeah.
[00:09:35] Brett Trembly: I never, I never showed up like it was this big competition. I’m like, I’m in Miami. I’m young, I’m gonna have a good time. You know, I always say I almost graduated honors anyway. I was like, point whatever away. And I always say like, if they had a weighted curve for amount of hours that you studied and grades, then you know, I should have been valedictorian.
Yeah. You know, I just really, and I did think that a legal background would be really good in business, and I always knew I was gonna be an entrepreneur and a business owner.
[00:10:03] Louis Goodman: What is it that you really like about practicing law?
[00:10:06] Brett Trembly: I really love helping business owners find solutions that weren’t apparent. And helping them avoid landmines that are apparent when you’ve been doing this for a long time. So we had, I’ll give you a quick story. We had two guys who were running a company come to me and they were older than me and I have had some experience with some very tough personalities and they were dealing with just a really strong personality who convinced them to give up a portion of their business.
He was, I mean, quite literally bullying them into taking the rest of their business based on some really shoddy paperwork that he had put together that they had signed. And you know, I told him, guys, you’re in the right place. I’m gonna go to bat for you. And I did. And then, you know, I was hiring at that time, so did the other lawyers at the firm, but we were able to, for basically two gentlemen who are still good friends of mine now, save them from having their business and their livelihood that they’ve been working on for 30 years, just taken away from somebody who’s just a stronger presence. And those things almost seem like, well, how could that happen? And that could never happen to me. But you’d be surprised at some of the wild stories out there and how many scams there are.
You know, how many just people who are only out for themselves and, and are trying to really one up other people and who just have no conscience. And it’s one of the feel good stories of many, you know, I really love helping protect people.
[00:11:42] Louis Goodman: I wanna talk a little bit about the Get Staffed Up side of your business.
I know that one of the things that you really emphasize is, should be lawyers, and lawyers should practice law and lawyers should do what they have to do, but that they don’t have to do, nor should they do everything. And I know that you told a little anecdote about, you know, if you called a surgeon’s office ’cause you needed surgery and the surgeon answered the phone himself and made the appointment for you, you’d sort of wonder about that.
And I’m wondering if you could kind of talk about that a little bit.
[00:12:19] Brett Trembly: Absolutely. I mean, I think it’s a pretty good example because you and I would run the other way. We were like, why is this doctor on the phone? This guy must be sitting around. He must be such a bad doctor. He’s sitting around with no business.
And we are unintentionally creating the same perception in our potential clients when we answer the phone or we give away our time. Or we give away free consultations with our time. You know, some successful firms have free consults, but that’s with a, like a consultant or, you know, not one of the attorneys.
So the lack of business sort of sense and savvy and acumen and lo like lawyers. We were, we got good grades and we went to school. And school teaches you how to take tests and get good grades. It doesn’t teach you how to be a business owner at all,
[00:13:08] Louis Goodman: That’s for sure. Yeah, and that’s something that I talk about all the time on this podcast, is how, I think it is just malpractice on the part of law schools to not teach lawyers something about being business people. But yeah, I digress. Please go on. No,
[00:13:24] Brett Trembly: Yeah, yeah. We, we, we could, we could dive into that. And, you know, I think that so many lawyers then start their own firm and they have a laptop and they can do the legal work, but they just don’t understand because it’s not innate.
And it’s something you can learn and most people are capable, but you’ve gotta learn that you have to either network or market or somehow get clients. Right. Or get people interested in being your clients, you know? Right. Take them to a website, and then when those clients are interested, they’re gonna call you and ask for more information.
They’re not gonna just knock on your door and say, I don’t know you, but here’s a check I wanna work with you. So that is called a sale. And once you make the sale, which for some people is a dirty word, but it’s not, they hired you to solve a problem for them. Right. So then you have to deliver on the legal work, and then you have to get paid.
The amount of lawyers who do the work but don’t like to send invoices. So they don’t, they delay, they feel bad, and then months and months go by. So they send a much bigger invoice than they should have, and then they feel bad again. So then they discount their services and, you know, just a self-perpetuating misery is astonishing.
I mean, any room I’ve ever been in, half the room has that of small lawyers has that story. And there’s so many simple ways to just help people have a much better experience and really enjoy being a lawyer instead of being overwhelmed by the law firm.
[00:14:49] Louis Goodman: So speaking of staffing, you have a firm that now has eight attorneys.
I’m sure there’s some additional support staff. If a lawyer is kind of starting out in a private practice. Let’s say they’ve come out of a government job or corporate job or a big firm job and they’re, they, they’ve decided I’m going to go into some area of law that interests me for kind of a more boutique practice.
What’s the first staffing decision that needs to be made, and then how does the next staffing position build on that? And I know that this is something you’ve given a lot of thought to and I’m wondering if you could talk about that process.
[00:15:34] Brett Trembly: Yeah. You know, when somebody like me comes out with a book, I’m not famous. I don’t, I don’t know how to market a book, you know, I didn’t get a book deal.
You know, you give it away, you send it out. Some people read it. I, I put my, you
[00:15:47] Louis Goodman: You have a book I take it?
[00:15:48] Brett Trembly: Yeah, I put
[00:15:49] Louis Goodman: What’s the name of your, I know you have a book. What’s the name of the book?
[00:15:51] Brett Trembly: It’s called, it’s called 24 Months to Freedom. You know, I make the argument that in 24 months, if you do the right hiring at the right time, I mean, it’s not always linear and perfect, but you should have something that looks like a pretty well-functioning law firm that gives you the freedom to not to retire, not to just, you know, be in a boat all day, but to make decisions consistent with your values, because you’re not just struggling for air constantly.
[00:16:17] Louis Goodman: So take us through, you know, an ideal 24 months.
[00:16:23] Brett Trembly: Yeah. So the first hire any service business owner at which is a law firm should make, and from day one is an executive assistant. That is somebody that’s gonna allow you as the solo attorney, instead of billing one hour per day right to bill two, or three or four hours per day, that will double or quadruple your output.
You know, I talked to a lawyer this past weekend at my son’s birthday party who was like sleeping three hours per night, and I’m like, if I had hair, I’d be pulling it out. I want, I want to help so bad because it, it just doesn’t have to be that way. The most valuable resource any business has is the time of the owner.
And you need to protect that time. And an executive assistant will save you from licking your own stamps. You know, like you mentioned, somebody edits your podcast and that’s great to hear, because if you spent, you know, three hours editing your podcast, that’s three hours you could have been booking more, you could have been planning what to do with them.
You could have been thinking about the marketing and someone else can probably do it in 30 minutes anyway, better than you. Right. And it’s the same example of a lot of the admin task in a law firm. So after that, you’ve gotta, you know, I would argue, you know. You need a marketing assistant or a receptionist, you know, if the phone’s starting to ring, depending on the type of practice you have, and then maybe, you know, so maybe hire the receptionist so you don’t ruin all the leads you’re getting then a marketing assistant ’cause now you’re starting to get more, you know, business and you need that to continue to flow so you don’t have ups and downs. And then you wanna get an intake person who can convert the people that call in into paid consultations. And then you wanna get a billing clerk. And I, I don’t have billing clerk second, although, if you could only hire two, I would argue hire a billing clerk and executive assistant because again, you can make a decent living as a lawyer, billing three hours per day and collecting 90% of it.
Instead, we bill one hour per day and we collect about 55% of it. That’s, that’s what the stats bear out.
[00:18:31] Louis Goodman: Is there anything that you know now that you really wished you had known before you got into the practice of law and the business of the staffing company?
[00:18:41] Brett Trembly: I wish I had known that the worst part of practicing being a litigator anyway, is opposing counsel.
You know I always felt as a young lawyer, the older lawyers, you know, really scapegoated and blamed things and like just grouchy with all these young lawyers. And, and I understand, you know, the whole generation blaming and now people my age are starting to, you know, say bad things about like, it’ll, it’ll never stop. But, you know, just to not take things personally and to just do the job and not let it get me riled up, you know, like early on a big case I’d get an email at 11:00 PM on a Saturday from opposing counsel threatening sanctions and it would ruin the rest of my weekend, you know, and those things aren’t fun.
So, you know, I wish there was somebody to kind of mentor me a little bit more on that side of things.
[00:19:29] Louis Goodman: I wanna shift gears here a little bit, Brett, what’s your family life been like and how has practicing law fit in with your family life and your family life fit in with your practice?
[00:19:41] Brett Trembly: Not well early on, you know, my wife and I made a, a deal.
I would take care of the bills and she would take care of the kids. And I did a lot of figuring out how to pay the bills early on. Now because of, you know, our sort of motto at Gets Staffed Up is delegate you way to freedom. You know, I really have a lot of freedom to choose when I wanna work and what I wanna work on.
And I see my kids a lot. We take a lot of vacations, we travel and you know, I, I’m sure I could be more helpful around the house of course, but in terms of spending quality time with my children, I don’t wanna say blessed because when you say blessed, it sounds so passive like somebody chose me. To live a life and didn’t choose someone else.
I made decisions to put myself here. And those decisions had positive, you know, repercussions that allowed me to get here. And I think it’s more about decisions and investments and, you know, strategic decisions and having mentors and trying to do the right things than it is to say like, oh, I’m just blessed.
I just got lucky, you know? We went to Europe for 11 days over Thanksgiving. I took my mom, you know, as like a special gift. I’d always wanted to take her back to Europe ’cause she hadn’t been since she was 20, so like 50 years. And like that is an amazingly fulfilling thing that I was able to do and take my wife and my kids.
I would have never been able to do all that had I not gotten out of my own way, started reading the right books, meeting the right people, and started hiring.
[00:21:13] Louis Goodman: What about recreational pursuits? Is there anything that you like to do for yourself to get your mind off of the law?
[00:21:19] Brett Trembly: Sure. You know, I don’t think that I am good enough at poker to be a professional poker player, but I would love to play more poker tournaments.
You know, it kind of like, I would love to golf and play more poker and do triathlons so that I could stay healthy, but you know, you also have, two businesses and three kids, so I can’t do it all.
[00:21:38] Louis Goodman: Is there someone living or dead who you’d like to meet?
[00:21:45] Brett Trembly: Winston Churchill, without a doubt. I think the guy that, the guy saved Europe, he, he saw things no one else could see.
He was not only smart, but clever. And, you know, maybe everything you read about him is, is like you said, history will be kind to him ’cause he intends to write it. So maybe he did manipulate his own story and that’s why I think he’s so great. But it worked, you know, and, and everything I’ve read about him, his quotes and, you know, I, I really think that he was the right person at the right time.
[00:22:16] Louis Goodman: Let’s say you came into some real money, three or four billion dollars. What, if anything, would you do differently in your life?
[00:22:25] Brett Trembly: I would create at definitely my college, Eastern New Mexican University, which I mentioned, but I mean that much money at others, I would create entrepreneurship programs. So instead of just doing, I mean, and it takes a lot of money, right?
Probably build a whole building, hire faculty. I mean, you’re talking about, you know, tens of millions of dollars at each one, if not more, but. And I would try to bring in as guest speakers, like really high-end entrepreneurs to push more entrepreneurship in college and not just like get grades, you know, math 1 0 1 and all, and all these, these things that we learn.
And then we go into a major, I mean, I know there’s business, obviously business majors, but I think that, you know, the types of MBA programs are, they’re bigger businesses and finance and what about, what about the creators in the world? You know, I’m in a, an organization called Entrepreneurs Organization, which is founders of companies that have reached a certain financial threshold, and there’s really cool, amazing people.
Now I understand the common thread, sort of, I wish we pushed people towards the entrepreneurship route more than we did the, you know, get grades and then go get a job because now you have a degree, you’re in sort of entitled to a job in the workforce. And if you don’t, you complain about the economy.
It’s like take your, take your fate into your own hands.
[00:23:54] Louis Goodman: Let’s say you had a magic wand, that was one thing in the world you could change the legal world or otherwise. What would that be?
[00:24:00] Brett Trembly: I wish that judges would be more standard. Like you go in front of one and you get one ruling and you go in front of the other and you’re treated a totally different way, and they’re human.
[00:24:11] Louis Goodman: What keeps you up at night?
[00:24:15] Brett Trembly: Oh, man. For a little while it was AI and what AI is gonna do. I think it’s gonna eventually kind of wipe out law firms, especially transactional ones, which is about half of our practice. I think it’s gonna cause a lot more people to malpractice and it’s gonna cause a lot of problems in the legal world before it creates solutions.
I just gotta be honest, you know, if anything keeps me up at night, it’s a personal problem with the kids or, or something that affects my life.
[00:24:44] Louis Goodman: Is there any book or movie about the law that you would recommend to people?
[00:24:51] Brett Trembly: You know, we all had to watch, well, we read a civil action before I started CI Pro in law school.
[00:24:57] Louis Goodman: That’s one of mine. Yeah. I only have three. Okay. But that’s on my list.
[00:25:03] Brett Trembly: That, that’s, that’s my favorite. But, but the one I’ll watch every year is A Few Good Men. And I know it’s made up. I know it’s not, but like, I really, in law school, I was on the trial team and I loved the courtroom battles and the mental warfare, the mental chest that you had to, and, and in law school you really gotta play it up, you know? Only 2% of cases go to trial in the real world. And so those two jump out at me. What are your three?
[00:25:27] Louis Goodman: A Civil action 1L about the law school experience and Bonfire of the Vanities by Tom Wolfe. Because that really, I think, gets the criminal justice system.
[00:25:40] Brett Trembly: Yeah. Cool.
[00:25:41] Louis Goodman: And very little else I’ve ever read, you know, involving law or lawyers that that strikes me as in any way other thing, anything other than just fantasy.
[00:25:50] Brett Trembly: Right, right.
[00:25:52] Louis Goodman: If someone wants to get in touch with Brett Trembly, what is the best way to do that, either to contact you about business litigation or about Getting Staffed Up?
[00:26:04] Brett Trembly: Yeah, absolutely. Just LinkedIn. You send me a message on LinkedIn, I’ll see it, add me, and, and we can communicate that way.
That’s really a great platform. Emails get lost, you know, I have my assistant sorting my email and I guess they don’t get lost ’cause we know where they go. But it’s not my favorite, like, getting myself out of email was one of my big professional wins. You know, that’s really made a big impact on my life, so.
[00:26:28] Louis Goodman: Talk about that a little bit. What do you mean getting yourself outta email and how did you do that?
[00:26:34] Brett Trembly: I teach an email delegation system where you have an assistant, again, you have to have an assistant. This is what it comes back to. Most lawyers, we live in email all day and essentially you could spend five hours a day just emailing clients, opposing counsel and feel like you’re busy and not getting anything done.
So back in the day, right, mail came in. The mail was not open by you. It wasn’t taken outta the mailbox by you. It was someone else. That person opened the mail and they were taught how to sort the mail. This is junk ’cause it’s an advertisement. This is an opportunity I may be interested in, but I don’t need it to interrupt my day or need to see it.
These five pieces of mail are from, you know, opposing counsel or lawyers, or, you know, judges or whatever. So I need to see this, but only when I’m ready. So then at 1:00 PM or 2:00 PM every day you had your mail time, they brought in the mail and either like read you the mail or gave it to you, or you can, you know, like for example, Louis, you know so and so said this, and you say, tell him this, and you just spent 30 seconds on that.
You know, you can get through the mail in like 10, 15 minutes and that’s what you can do with email too. You can do the exact same thing. You can print ’em all if you want, if you want to be a little bit exaggerated to learn, which I did in the beginning. You can create email folders so that everything you don’t wanna see goes somewhere else and you only see what you need.
And then you can have your assistant respond and teach them how to respond to a lot of emails. And the ones that are very important, those three, four, or five are waiting for you for a specific time every day.
[00:28:08] Louis Goodman: Brett, is there anything that you wanted to talk about that we haven’t touched on that we haven’t discussed?
[00:28:15] Brett Trembly: I wish I had a good comment here, but you asked a lot of interesting and different questions. I read some, you know, the advanced questions we may talk about, Louis, but not these past five at the end, so I’m having to think on my feet here and, and I think it’s better that way.
They’re pretty good.
[00:28:32] Louis Goodman: Brett Trembly, thank you so much for talking to me today on the Love Thy Lawyer Podcast. It’s been a pleasure to talk to you.
[00:28:40] Brett Trembly: Thank you so much for having me.
[00:28:44] Louis Goodman: That’s it for today’s episode of Love Thy Lawyer. If you enjoyed listening, please share it with a friend and follow the podcast. If you have comments or suggestions, send me an email. Take a look at our website at lovethylawyer.com where you can find all of our episodes, transcripts, photographs, and information.
Thanks to my guests and to Joel Katz for music, Brian Matheson for technical support, Paul Robert for social media, and Tracy Harvey. I’m Louis Goodman.
[00:29:23] Brett Trembly: Go back and forth on the legal work. You know, or you can hire that person virtually, promoter and a paralegal eventually. You know, there, there’s a, there’s a lot of different ways, depending on how you function as a business owner.